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Speaker1: Each church that we went to.
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Speaker1: Each ethnic neighborhood that we went to, there was always a
church for that ethnic group. He was telling how the enrollment had
declined and the minister seemed so, so secretive, and collective, you
know, like the water holding them all together. And I--
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Speaker3: I think even more than-- even more than that, than the point
you're making, that it's a new movement for ethnic groups. I don't even
think that that's true, because I think ethnic groups, by virtue of the
fact that they were all-- when they came to this country, were all in the
same area, and especially the older generations, and not so much with the
newer generations, want to retain their identities, but the younger
generations that want assimilation. And when you say, well, is that good or
is that bad, well, I just wonder because don't you lose a lot, too, in your
life, in your own lifestyle, your own life's meaning, if you lose some of
your ethnic background? True, even for the Black people who are now at the
place where they're identifying their own good things in their life to be
proud of. The things that they are doing in effect, what has been done by,
say, Jews for years and years have-- don't dare marry out of the religion.
And it's a bad if you're dating somebody that's not Jewish and keep-- you
know, retain those strong ties. Well that's not as true today as it was
once. With each new generation that becomes less and less. But there are a
lot of people who are worried about that, who think that maybe it's not a
bad thing to retain your individuality.
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Dr. Patrick: Yes, I was suggesting the same thing. So I think I'm hearing
it a little bit differently. You're saying that-- how do we maintain a
sense of one's own ethnic identity and at the same time have inter-ethnic
cooperation? Speaker3: Yeah. Dr. Patrick: That's the-- Speaker3: Yeah,
yeah. You see. How does one accomplish?
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Speaker3: We had this as one of the first discussions, I think, at the
beginning of the semester we talked about it.
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Dr. Patrick: It all relates I think, to the development we talk about. We
haven't had a social science. I mean, this is part of that. We have not
really tried to put our community together in social terms, and this would
be one of the items on that agenda. So you would be celebrating each
other's differences. You see, now that's the kind of thing that would--
we'd be putting our attention. I think that social planning tends to be
social service. HWA type planning, and that may even have the effect of
making further walls, because as you say, one group resents another group
getting whatever the limited number of goodies are. Yeah, And there is in
this idea of trying to figure out ways in which we could appreciate our
appreciating each other and our common citizenship in this community. Well,
we've gone. Dr. Patrick: Let me just say a word about Pace, though. You
mentioned Pace before we close. Do you know about Pace, any of you?
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Speaker3: Not very much. Patrick: Program to Aid Citizen Enterprise. This
is a offshoot of the United Fund Community Chest Health and Welfare Complex
begun in 1968. It is alleged that the plan was in the works prior to the
riots, but certainly the riots accelerated the operational details. The
Chest, the fund through the Chest gives a pay of $600,000 a year to put
into disadvantaged communities again for social services. When it was set
up, it was recognised that the Black community was the most disadvantaged
and the members of the commission were all Black. They still are all Black.
They-- there were 12 commissioners, three of whom were appointed, one by
the Fund, one by the Chest, one by HW, and the other nine elected at a
meeting which was called and held in my church. Now in the years since 68,
that group of persons have funded projects in the city. Social service
projects, Little League teams, and, and newspaper, and, and McKeesport,
um,some community center activities and the, and the Sinclair Village
Housing Project,baseball team in North Versailles, this sort of thing. And
has been a vehicle through which groups could get some funds who were not
getting it or couldn't get it from OEO. OEO went out right after that and
could not qualify for Chest membership. It was an instrument to allow funds
to get to groups which would, which would use these funds, hopefully
wisely, in bringing some better quality of living to residents in a
community, to men and women, boys and girls.
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Patrick: It is still existing. The commission did vote and the Chest was
notified that it would put on a couple of Whites. And I told the chest that
we look for some qualified Whites and they're hard to find [laughter] on
the commission sometime next year for, for a term. But it's interesting
because it's the only place in the country that I know of where a group of
Blacks have had 600,000, for since 68. What, a couple million dollars, I
guess, that we've distributed throughout this this greater Pittsburgh area.
Perryopolis, South Side. North Side. Homewood, Hills. Clairton. Mckeesport,
Homewood and so on. And it's an interesting thing giving out money. So here
again, you make one friend and you make 13 enemies because if your project
is funded and mine isn't. Then you are a bunch of no good, no goodies.
Well, it's an interesting thing because the Chest and the fund and the
Welfare Association did have the foresight to set this money apart and put
no restrictions on the commissioners. That is, the commissioner's judgment
is the final judgment. If the commissioners vote to fund you at 18,000 or
38,000 or not to fund your program, then there-- that's the way it goes.
Now, some of the Blacks and some of the groups still don't believe this. So
they'll write [??] off with a check or write somebody to help with a
problem. And of course, there's nothing [??] can do or [??] can do because
commissioners have asked. Roy Bates is the chairman or the executive
director of this particular group of--
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Speaker3: ________________ Got all that money and stuff together and put
up the rest. Circulation stuff.
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Patrick: Yeah. Speaker5: That, finally they decided
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Patrick: It was at Point Park. Yeah. It was at Point Park.
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Speaker1: Well, thank you, Dr. Patrick. It was very--
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Dr. Patrick: Thank you very much. Speaker1: Informative.
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Dr. Patrick: I enjoyed the remarks. Very--
